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  • March 17, 2022 at 10:43 AM
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    • March 17, 2022 at 10:43 AM
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    Hi all,

    Good day. I was looking Offline Programming Software. Had a few recommendations.

    But i was wondering which is the best for the expert here who have used one. this are the software that was recommended to me.

    RoboDK, SprutCam, Robotmaster, Octupuz.

    I would like to know which is better for all the existing application and maybe for new RnD projects. and for all types of robots.

    mainly at least for the known robotic arms now kuka, abb, fanuc yaskawa. those stuff.

    thank you in advance.

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    For me it would be Delmia or Process Simulate. Those two are the ones used by big automobile companies and include the so called RCS-Module Realistic Robot Simulation (RRS) (realistic-robot-simulation.org) bringing you the original path and trajectory planners of the robot companies. But since these are professional tools they are not cheap.

    Fubini

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    • March 17, 2022 at 11:22 AM
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    Thank you so much Fubini.

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    • March 17, 2022 at 12:26 PM
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    I second that Process Simulate is one of the most advanced options out there.

    But it has a big caveat: PS isn't a single software package. Depending on what You want to do, You will need extra licenses, and what is already expensive would become finnancially unpratical.

    So, if You decide to go through this path, You need to have a clear roadmap of Your needs, to make the right quotations. Otherwise, you will have an incomplete software, and every week You will discover that You need a new license to use certain features.

    There is a joke in the field where people say that each button on PS interface require it's own license.

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    • March 17, 2022 at 1:12 PM
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    anyone ever heard of/used RobCAD and can tell about usability?

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    • March 17, 2022 at 1:27 PM
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    RobCAD got bought up by Siemens and became Process Simulate. From what I've seen, PS is powerful, but really needs some serious cleanup of the codebase.

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    • March 17, 2022 at 1:36 PM
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    sounds pretty much like anything i ever saw from Siemens :winking_face:

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    • March 17, 2022 at 1:39 PM
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    To be fair, it's not like Delmia is much better. Really, the entire Simulation side of the industry is ripe for some enterprising startup to make a really disruptive entry, with a lower-cost alternative that doesn't have all the legacy baggage of the Big Dogs.

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    sounds pretty much like anything i ever saw from Siemens

    What do you mean by this. You are aware that KSS is also a Siemens based code :grinning_squinting_face:

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    • March 17, 2022 at 1:59 PM
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    What do you mean by this. You are aware that KSS is also a Siemens based code :grinning_squinting_face:

    Which is why KUKA has been trying to get away from it for... ten years, now? That was the entire rationale behind the development of Sunrise, from what I was told.

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    • March 17, 2022 at 2:22 PM
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    What do you mean by this. You are aware that KSS is also a Siemens based code :grinning_squinting_face:

    nope but ... not surprised, really could use some serious polishing...

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    • March 17, 2022 at 2:37 PM
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    nope but ... not surprised, really could use some serious polishing...

    As I understand it, KSS and KRL were created by Siemens for KUKA back during the KRC32 days, if not earlier (KUKA controllers back then were basically Siemens CNC controllers with some different software layers). And under the license agreement, KUKA has to pay Siemens a cut for each KSS delivered.

    Siemens is also rather (in)famous for not cleaning up their software, or being responsive to customer requests, so KSS has mostly just had features added over time, without any really serious improvements or advances (the biggest jump being from KSS 5.x to KSS 8.x).

    To be fair, I'm not sure KUKA was willing to pay for what a major overhaul would have cost. There also appear to be some issues with VxWorks, although whether the root is technological or financial is an open question.

    Sunrise was, AIUI, supposed to "free" KUKA from Siemens, but it ended up having a much longer and rockier development path than Augsburg expected.

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    Yeah Sunrise failed to deliver its targets over and over again. Hence development is stopped now afaik. Turns out that basically Siemens base was not that bad at all and reimplementing all the hundreds of features from KSS into Sunrise not that easy. But lets not dig into deep in this matter because some of my former colleagues at KUKA would probably stone my for this. Let's be happy we know have IIQKA which of course solves all these issues and is linux based to get rid of VxWorks :winking_face: .

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    • March 17, 2022 at 3:20 PM
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    It all depends on what it is you need to achieve, imo RoboDK is a very powerful and cost effective solution, message me and I can send you a Pro licence key

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    is that legal? do you work for RoboDK? are you authorized to offer this?

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    • March 18, 2022 at 1:36 PM
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    is that legal? do you work for RoboDK? are you authorized to offer this?

    Yes I'm a rdk reseller, I can generate trial licences

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    • March 18, 2022 at 3:18 PM
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    Yes I'm a rdk reseller, I can generate trial licences

    Really should have mentioned that, and that you were offering trial licenses, in Post 14. The way you wrote that post looked very... illegitimate.

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    • March 18, 2022 at 3:21 PM
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    yup... almost got banned. i considered that for a while and only backed down because of your history on the forum. someone new or with only few posts would be gone...!

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

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    • March 18, 2022 at 3:29 PM
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    Yes sorry my bad, relaised later I didn't write it very clearly

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    oh it was very clear and my finger was really itching to click on that ban button...

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