Almost all industrial manufacturers release PC SDK or PC Interface or similiar tools which you can connect and control your robot via PC. But, there is no release for KUKA. Some reverse engineering like OpenCrossComm is available. And this is really great effort. Don't you think that one of the No #1 industrial robot manufacturer must has a PC SDK Tool?
Why KUKA hates programmers?
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January 14, 2014 at 11:25 AM -
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KUKA is a "ROBOT"
Just like Volkswagen's slogan "DAS AUTO"
And you don't need PC SDK for making any application on KUKA. If you know Microsoft technologies and automation technologies is a very enough.
Another manufacturer selling options too much expensive prices and different licence options. KUKA is a always free if you know how to do.
Germany machinery technologies all off the best: Simple and functional.
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KUKA is a "ROBOT"Just like Volkswagen's slogan "DAS AUTO"
And you don't need PC SDK for making any application on KUKA. If you know Microsoft technologies and automation technologies is a very enough.
Another manufacturer selling options too much expensive prices and different licence options. KUKA is a always free if you know how to do.
Germany machinery technologies all off the best: Simple and functional.
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NOT simple compared to other manufactures
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I know KUKA, ABB, FANUC , Nachi, OTC and Comau expert level.
Simplicity is a relative concept. If you talking about menu and command accessibility yes of course. But I thinking about maximum efficiency in short time.
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M.Ozkan, years ago I developed a Visual C++ application that was used inside the robot KCP to ease the operator's life which at the end it worked wonderfully.
I must admit that without help of a KUKA guy it would have been impossible to make it as there were simply no manuals for that.
KUKA is a great robot, but if you compare the manuals from KUKA to i.e. ABB they are ridiculous at best.
I'm not saying that any robot is better than another, neither I do say that programming one brand is easier than another, but in terms of documentation KUKA should do a big effort.
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My intention is not to start a flame war, but yes PC connection is really important for me.
and I really believe that there are some other guys who need PC connections with industrial robots.I hope someone in the forum who has some information about Kuka's future plans or roadmaps for this topic. Any information?
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No flame war here 4u!
But I'm truly surprised to see how a robot (which is something complex) has those short manuals.
Also I'm surprised on the lack of manuals itself.
You are asking how to connect a PC to a robot. If you would have got a manual probably you would be asking something different like I've tested X but I can't continue for N reason, does anybody know how to...Getting Windows in their robots is wonderful as you can get really nice applications created for "free" using any computer programming language. The fact they're planning to remove that for future releases is a pity. But at the end, if you don't document that or make it easier for everyone to get access to it, it has no extra value for anyone. When I was asked by one customer to create an interface the only answer I got from KUKA tech support in Augsburg was:
1. Send us the requirements and more or less it will cost you 6000€ per form/dialog.
2. You can buy the HMI_studio_don't_remember_the_name which will allow you to make that.But never:
You can do it using VC++ or any other language and here's the manual.
i.e. using ABB force you to get a package to be able to do this kind of integration, moreover the pendant works using Windows CE and is connecting remotely to the control PC which works with I don't know which Linux flavour. KUKA has a great potential and advantage here, but IMHO they are not taking what they could from it.
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for krc4's you have kuka virtual pendant (you can also move the robot from pc)
on krc 1 and 2 install vnc on it -
Hi Joan,
Can you post the manual again?
Thanks a lot!
BR, Ricardo
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Sorry rixmaia, but I've never posted it and I do not have it.
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Wow... "Why Kuka hates programmers?"
This IS a hateful thing to say... (it even contains word 'hate').Kuka has its reputation at stake (liability too) and it has interest to sell its products. of course it cannot stay in business and just give things for free or support something that is not official product.
you want to communicate with robot? need SDK? no problem - BUY it... There are several options (RSI, EthernetKrlXml, OPC), talk to your Kuka rep about right product for your needs. you want to get controller messages as well, no problem - buy KRmsgNET...
about being ... programmers...:
i see a lot of people considering themselves programmers when in fact they don't understand even the most basic computing concepts. i get to interview people for positions where programming is their primary function. vast majority has no concepts of bit/byte, int/real, arrays, passing parameters to sub/function, syntax, etc.
then you see such people whine and moan about access to information about developing plugins, saving file on SunRise, opening TCP socket or .... using something that is available as open source.teaching points is not programming... want to be a programmer? go to college/university and study computer science/engineering.
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Ye they don't give manuals, but give you an option to develop it yourself specially because of wXP console.
But to someone like me, with no KUKA contacts, it's kinda hard. I'm trying to use JOpenShowVar and i'm struggling with minor problems, yet i know what they mean. But once i have no manuals or personal help..
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No way to control your robot via PC?! It runs on windows!! You can install a VNC so easily. It makes life so much easier.
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Ye they don't give manuals, but give you an option to develop it yourself specially because of wXP console.But to someone like me, with no KUKA contacts, it's kinda hard. I'm trying to use JOpenShowVar and i'm struggling with minor problems, yet i know what they mean. But once i have no manuals or personal help..
JOpenShowVar not developed by KUKA. It is open source application which created from users. Of course you can't get support from KUKA.
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I thank the Kuka Gods every day.
For the same price you can sit and key in your programs one line at a time on a Fanuc, if you really think Kuka 'hates' programmers. Or write a basic search routine that's ~300 lines long instead of 30. Choose your battles. Nobody writes a manual for life..