getting started with KRC4 compact, on a kr10 r1100 sixx

    if you have an archive or krcdiag you can extract working project and open it, view IO mapping and get familiar with it (you can use Search etc.). since this is purely offline work, viewing file cannot do any harm to the controller.

    even when deploying WoV project to controller, i recommend to first save the project under new name. (file>save as> and give it new file name, perhaps with timestamp). then when you deploy and activate project, you are not overwriting anything - you are adding another project to controller. this means that even if things do not work, you can just shrug off and forget about your last mistake project. to get robot back to previous state (operational), simply activate one of previous projects. and(since you did not overwrite any, this is easy because all other projects are still on the controller...

    but if you fail to rename project and try to deploy, then chances are your project name will match one of the projects already on the controller. in this case your experiment will overwrite whatever project you used as a starting point (usually the active project). so in this case if your project contains mistakes and it no longer can work, you are stuck because you have no more roll back project on the robot. i think this is what some may find scary.

    about the workflow, i would say

    1. get working project from the robot (you do NOT want to create it from scratch unless you really know what you are doing).

    2. save it on your computer (backup copy of the original).

    3. then create another copy with new and unique name (this is one you will work on and try to make changes).

    4. then when finished, deploy the modified copy. if good, this is the new active project. and if not good, simply activate the previous one (still on the controller) or deploy it using WorkVisual (you created backup for a reason).

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

    good afternoon, i am still working on my workvisual education. Can someone provide a hint or link where i can find a workvisual manual, i have downloaded several KRL manuals and the profinet manual, but i cant seem to find the manual for working thru workvisual 6.0

    any help is appreciated,

    I just cant bring myself to connect to robot with work visual yet, until i feel a little more comfortable with the program

    hi DS I have been working with WOV a bit, I am still not connected to the controller

    i have managed to activate a controller, and i have field busses and KCB open in the mapping section. but i do not have EM8905-1001 I/O-Modul. available . Do i have to have the controller connected for the em8905-1001 module to show up?? i have "cabinet interface board small robot " under the field buss KCB tab

    Panic thanks for your help as well i am looking into saving programs from controller to the WOV, but i have not found any success yet with the KSS_22_END_KRL_en manual, ( is this the correct manual for all KRL language) or the WOV manual . The pendant in the KSS_22 manual is a little different than mine. Is there a better controller language manual for the KRC4 compact controller? I have the KRC4 compact manual BA_KR_C4_compact En manual

    I was thinking i need to copy or duplicate a program from the pendant while it is connected to the WOV is that correct?

    I also imagine i have to have the programs collapsed in order to copy them NOT the individual SRC and DAT files correct?

    also i have 2 repeating error messages on the pendant,

    " boot failed for module: EIPIODriver " this expands to KSS14009 boot failed for module which talks about no braking reaction, and no interlock of motion commands . the indicated solution is to set a shorter time for but timeout of the adapter.

    and

    every once in a while i get a low fan speed alarm.

    thanks to both of you for your continued help. I feel like i am making very slow progress, but progress is being made. Are there any online KUKA training videos for this?

    thanks

    Quote from dieselxj

    hi DS I have been working with WOV a bit, I am still not connected to the controller

    i have managed to activate a controller, and i have field busses and KCB open in the mapping section. but i do not have EM8905-1001 I/O-Modul. available . Do i have to have the controller connected for the em8905-1001 module to show up?? i have "cabinet interface board small robot " under the field buss KCB tab

    How did you do that without being connected to the controller? Have you created an offline project? I won't recommend this unless you are an experienced user.

    However, the first and most important thing for you is to connect to the controller as described in some earlier posts.

    Quote from dieselxj

    thanks to both of you for your continued help. I feel like i am making very slow progress, but progress is being made. Are there any online KUKA training videos for this?

    Apart from the paid training courses, KUKA offers a few different e-learnings and webinars. You will find them on the KUKA website. See here for the WoV webinar.

    Quote from dieselxj

    KSS_22_END_KRL_en

    Unless I'm misunderstanding, that's for KSS version 2.2. The KRC4 runs on KSS 8.x.

    about 80-90% of "raw" KRL works the same way across that range of versions, but there's lots of minor details that no longer match. Strongly recommend you go to KUKA's download site and get the manuals for your robot's KSS version.

    I also concur with DS186 -- do not try building a project offline in WoV. Your first task is to get WoV connected to the KRC. Then, download the base project from the KRC, save a copy under a new name, and start making edits to the copy.

    good morning DS, and panic mode. First let me say i am very glad to have the forums help with this. And i really do want and need to learn this , and other more automated industrial processes. I am almost at the end of my working career. I would like to stay relevant for a few more years before i retire. But automation and networking machines is not native to me.

    I did find some video tutorials but they were not the correct ones and some not in _EN (english)

    so thanks DS for the fresh link

    Yes i did end up creating a new tester project in WOv with absolutely NO intent of even trying to install it or keep it for that matter. Just using it as a interface learner project. And so far i am glad i did, because i really am out of my depth on this WOV thing and even trying to create a network.

    Yes i know what a IP address is, But i have still never worked with them or much less changed them.

    Once bitten twice shy on automation. long story short, I had a heck of a time updating a TCP at work, because i dropped a comma a few months ago. So i am very cautious with this stuff.


    I can create teach and use the pendant OK not great but ok, but WOV is a very new and so far extremely difficult thing to work with.

    I feel i need a much more basic understanding of what is going on with the IO system,

    for instance if i do get the mapping to work. what are the results? how can i tell the mapped item is the pneumatic solenoid and not something else?


    also apologies panic mode, but i don't know how to copy a program from the pendant yet. that is why i was asking if i have the correct manuals . It is also not helping me that i only have about 1 day a week to work on this.

    but thanks for all your help so far. I am going to try and work on making the controller to computer connection a bit more before i have to go to work. but i am not very confident there either.

    OK lets get this thing connected. I believe i have all the hardware,

    network cable is connected to service port X69

    NOT connected to the laptop

    windows 10 laptop is open and network internett is on proxy settings. auto detect is on,

    use set up script is off and set up on the right is not highlighted

    manual proxy set up is off

    kuka work visual is on the initial start up page with 2 recent projects the one from last night i started is called air on off

    the other is called project/ project 1. wvs

    on the left i have

    recent

    create

    open

    browse

    i opened the project 1.wvs. and plugged in the laptop and nothing happened. still can not see the field bus em89105-1001.

    at least there were no explosions or smoke

    Edited once, last by dieselxj: tried to connect to the system (September 18, 2023 at 8:21 PM).

    Quote from dieselxj

    boot failed for module: EIPIODriver

    Best guess, the robot was set up for using Ethernet/IP with a device that is no longer connected. That can be determined through WoV.

    Quote from dieselxj

    good afternoon, i am still working on my workvisual education. Can someone provide a hint or link where i can find a workvisual manual, i have downloaded several KRL manuals and the profinet manual, but i cant seem to find the manual for working thru workvisual 6.0

    You downloaded a ZIP file from KUKA with WoV in it, correct? When unzipped, this will include a DOC directory with a complete manual for WoV in multiple languages.

    IP address for the KRC can be found here. You have to make sure you cancel any Selected program, or else the Network Config menu will be greyed out. Once in the Network Config menu, you can only make changes if you log in as Expert or Admin first (default password is kuka lowercase, hopefully no one changed it)

    At this point, you have two choices: you can change the IP of the robot to match your computer's IP range, or change your computer to match the robot.

    The forbidden IP ranges are (from the WoV manual):

    Note: it's pretty hard to break the KRC by changing the IP address from the KUKA menus, and avoid the forbidden IP ranges. The dangerous bit is to drill down to the Windows interface in the KRC and make changes there. DO NOT DO THIS.

    (Even so, making a complete hard drive image backup of the robot before meddling in this area is STRONGLY ADVISED)

    If you use your computer's ethernet port for connecting to the corporate network, odds are good that that ethernet port is configured for DHCP, which lets the corporate servers assign your computer an IP address (usually temporary). Setting that port to talk to the robot will probably make it so you can't connect to the corporate network (unless/until you reverse the changes). So getting a second Ethernet port on the computer might be a good idea in this case. Just make sure you don't confuse which port is used for the corporate network, and which for the robot connection.

    Avoid the "Advanced" button. We only care about IP Address and Subnet Mask.

    Very quick and dirty IP lesson: just use a Subnet Mask of 255.255.255.0. This makes the network as simple as possible. Basically, it means that, for any IP address, computers with SMs set to 255.255.255.0 can only talk to other computers whose first three "octets" match their own. So basically, robots/computers on IPs http://WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ can only talk to others whose WWW, XXX, and YYY are identical. ZZZ must be unique for each computer (for this, the KRC is just a computer with an arm attached).

    192.168.something.something is a pretty standard IP range for small, isolated networks. Since your WoV network will probably just be the KRC and your laptop, it doesn't get much simpler. Just avoid using 192.168.0.anything, since that's reserved for internal use.

    Changing the IP on the KRC doesn't "take" until you reboot the KRC.

    Once the KRC and laptop are on compatible IP address (I'm going to assume the KRC is on 192.168.1.100 and the laptop is on 192.168.1.200, with both using Mask 255.255.255.0), you should be able to ping the KRC from your laptop. If the ping works, WoV should be able to detect the KRC if you use File>Browse:

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    You should get a window that looks like this:

    The Refresh button should make WoV scan the network for KRCs again. If nothing populates the robot list, hit the Magnifying Glass icon. That will open a new window where you can manually type in the KRC's IP:

    If you still can't connect to the KRC, there may be something in your laptop's security or firewall settings that's getting in the way. At this point, you may have to talk to your corporate IT department.

    i was hoping to use the auto detect feature on my computer and leave the KRC ip address alone

    krc is on 192.168.1.20

    subnet is 255.255.255.0

    if i don't change the krc address , I don't need to reboot correct?

    lets try and stick with changing the laptop

    Edited once, last by dieselxj (September 18, 2023 at 8:36 PM).

    ok this is new. i closed WOV, and re-opened it to the very first page, connected the krc to the laptop and i got

    Cell WINDOWS CC-PQ9LL

    0-(172.17.-----

    i assume the 172 is my laptops IP address.

    but maybe not. I expanded that by hitting the + sign and i get the info from the robot with its previous owners pet name for it, and

    1 base project

    1 initial project

    1 initial project 1. v1.0..0.0

    and

    a lab_rob xxxx

    very exciting does this mean it is connected?

    how do i piing

    i saw something about using a command window ? is that like a terminal window

    Edited once, last by dieselxj (September 18, 2023 at 8:59 PM).

    Yes. You are now connected to the controller. One of these projects is activated (the project marked with the little green "arrow"). Simply highlight it and click open.

    do i need to activate the hardware on the left side of the WOV

    i have to activate the hardware for the mapping to show up correct?

    can i just click on the pictures instead?

    the picture of the contrller has a green check, and it said connected for a seconde, but not anymore. i hit the + on the left side and expanded twice. i can see the io bus, but there is no green check on the left side margin for any of the componenets

    Edited once, last by dieselxj (September 18, 2023 at 9:19 PM).

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