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SUPER FAST ROBOTS CYCLE TIMES UNDER 0.1 SECOND

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  • July 15, 2023 at 7:09 PM
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    • July 15, 2023 at 7:09 PM
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    What kind of robots can achieve under 0.1 second cycle times? My chip shooter does 0.06 and my flex mounter 0.15 seconds. I'm trying to do a small 200mm desktop adhesive pin transfer robot (like dispensing but with contact). Would like something like a scara but only need 3 axis.

    Some of these 3d printers reach super fast speeds, is there anything faster than them?

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    • July 16, 2023 at 5:24 PM
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    I think with this kind of cycle time, and probably also accuracy you are way out of the industrial robots scope.

    What kind of weight would robot carry?

    Even with small 6 axis robot i would count around 3-4s to do anything useful (like pick and place).

    With scara/delta you can go probably to 0,5-2s.

    Also probably you should take into account system+fieldbus communication delay.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 7:29 AM
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    Weight is less than 5grams, need 0.01mm accuracy. At the moment considering hacking a 3d printer but prefer something more industrial but needs super speed for dot dispensing.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 1:41 PM
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    I agree with Patrik.

    You will probably want hardware built specifically for this purpose or at least a dedicated servo system.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 2:18 PM
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    hacking 3D printers is a wrong way to do this. they are not as accurate and they are way too slow. if you want that kind of speed and precision, you need specialty products. and this has been discussed and covered in quite a detail in one of your previous topics.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 6:15 PM
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    I might be confused but I haven't seen anything that can go that fast 0.1s/cycle. I agree 3d printers may be too slow. The cartesian robots I looked up seem even slower. Trying to see what the fastest robot for this application.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 7:32 PM
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    In my opinion, only a custom built machine to do that task and only that task will achieve the times that you are wanting. And maybe then, not quite as fast as you like.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 7:40 PM
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    The only thing I can think of offhand that might meet that speed/accuracy requirement would be certain chip-fab wafer-handling robots. But those are usually specialty equipment.

    Among "standard" robots, I think the only ones that might have even a chance would be one of the Delta robots from Fanuc, Festo, KUKA, etc.

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    • July 17, 2023 at 8:04 PM
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    as it was stated already this is an industrial robot forum and industrial robots cannot do what you are asking for... the closest industrial contenders would be products based on delta and scara configuration because of relatively lightweight and low inertia designs.

    other type of industry (like yours) that focuses on PCB manufacturing have very different requirements and therefore machines for this type of work are built on other types of technology. but the volume is of course smaller and prices are much higher so i can understand attempts to get away with something more common and lower cost. but there is no magic or way around laws of physics. if you want high speed you have to deal with inertia. there is no way around it.

    one can try making own robotic device using commercially available actuators and controllers but the focus need to be on things that matter. when it comes to fast and precise actuators it is hard to beat VCAs (voice coil actuators) and direct drive actuators easily achieving 5 or 10m/s.

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    High-precision and compact motion components for automation

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    • July 23, 2023 at 5:28 AM
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    I am in the process of designing this low cost robot and trying to see which technology will be most suitable for it. Not interested in spending $500,000 on custom pcb manufacturing equipment. I believe it can be done for ~$5,000 or even less. There are 3d printers that run linear motors for <$500, not sure on speed. I have some industrial robots lying around cartesian, 5dof arm, slew of 3d printers and open to buying a mini high speed scara if such a thing existed (0.1 sec cycle times). I know epson's does 0.3 seconds, they recently released gyroplus technology which increases speed, similar to what 3d printers are doing with resonance sensors. For 3d printers it doubles the speed.

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    Trying to see which technology is most suited for this application using industrial/3d printer robots.

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