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Roboguide 'MOTN-023 in singularity' on any 6-axis robot but not on 4-axis

  • David Jimenez
  • January 17, 2019 at 4:25 PM
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    • January 17, 2019 at 4:25 PM
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    I have scratched my head for days on this. Does anyone else have had the same issue? I am running Roboguide/HandlingPRO V8.0 with a R-2000iB/165F robot. I am not even close to any singularity (see attached screenshot)

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  • TitusLepic
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    • January 17, 2019 at 5:14 PM
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    Your screenshot definitely shows you in singularity. When J5 angle is zero, the J4 and J6 rotation axes are aligned giving an infinite number of kinematic solutions for reaching your position. This post does a pretty good job of explaining singularities: https://blog.robotiq.com/why-singularities-can-ruin-your-day

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    • January 17, 2019 at 10:13 PM
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    Get close to lining up any combination of J1, J4, & J6, & you got singularity.

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    • January 18, 2019 at 3:31 AM
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    J1 and J6 are lined up in any application with tool hanging downwards, which means most of pick and place applications.
    This does not cause singularity.

    Do it well right away. It will become bad by itself.

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    • January 18, 2019 at 5:15 PM
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    J1 and J6 can be parallel with no problem, but their axes can't be co-linear.

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    • January 21, 2019 at 12:37 AM
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    You should watch this video on the subject. Its an abb, but these singularities are present in all robots with a spherical wrist.

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    In short, there is wrist singularity, where J4 and J6 are planar, there is shoulder singularity, where wrist center is in line with J1, and finally there is elbow singularity, where J2, J3, and wrist center are in a line.

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    Edited once, last by Nation (January 21, 2019 at 12:49 AM).

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    • March 18, 2024 at 2:49 PM
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    Quote from TitusLepic

    Your screenshot definitely shows you in singularity. When J5 angle is zero, the J4 and J6 rotation axes are aligned giving an infinite number of kinematic solutions for reaching your position. This post does a pretty good job of explaining singularities: https://blog.robotiq.com/why-singularities-can-ruin-your-day

    Could it also be because axis 4, 5 and 6 are poorly mastered?

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    • March 19, 2024 at 7:26 AM
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    No. No need for mastering in roboguide.

    Noone should dig out a 4 year old thread, where the answer already was given :winking_face:

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    No. No need for mastering in roboguide.

    Noone should dig out a 4 year old thread, where the answer already was given :winking_face:M

    Mmquela, ahora resulta que no puedo preguntar nada, no esperaba menos

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    • March 19, 2024 at 9:26 PM
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    Don't understand what you mean. You should write in English.

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    Quote from hermann

    Don't understand what you mean. You should write in English.

    "Hell sake, now it turns out that I can't even ask, I didn't expect anything less" That's what he said

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