For those of you out there that have dealt with different robot manufactures I was wondering which one would you consider to be the most operator friendly and/or most reliable. I know that it depends on the program structure as far as reliability. I am just wondering I have currently not dealt with any other but Kawasaki. The company I work for (a different branch of Kawasaki not the robot side) is looking into maybe getting either Fanuc or ABB. As expected KRI (Kawasaki Robotics) has commented on the possibility of us getting different brands and pretty much says they are better at the program side with AS than the others and that they can make a foundry robot like the other 2 have. Any comments from people that have dealt with Kawasaki and Fanuc/ABB?
differences in program language
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March 11, 2014 at 11:18 PM -
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Hi
This is totally personal opinion. I think every robot that I work is good, depending what you want to do. I have nothing against any manufacturer but I have to recognize that some robot are "better" than other for different applications.
Ok, after this politically correct disclaimer and based on your coments I would recommend Fanuc -
I have used Kuka, Kawasaki, Fanuc, ABB, Motoman and Toshiba. I have to say that all depends what you'd like to do. For basic pick and place it all same.
Personally I prefer Kuka, but I haven't used it after KRC2 - so don't know how it is today.
It is always nice if there is good programming language. (if-then-else, switch-case, for-loop, datatypes and structures, parametric subprograms). But most important for me is posibility to edit programs offline with some basic text editor without expensive additional software or dongle. (If someone like to sell Motoman dongle I'm intrested - pm me.)-Jussi-
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Do any of them really not have programming language with if-then-else etc... or global variables you can make up yourself?
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Kuka is extremely flexible when it's time to make exotic ways to input data from t'he operator's side.
But, IMHO ABB has the best software and help system.
ABB RAPID programming language is really well done from the point of view of the programmer and it is much more flexible than kuka's.
I.E.: abb allows you to create submodules that are capable to call functions from the parent module which is impossible in kuka...
But of course the best you could do here is taking manuals of every robot under the sun and comparing them...
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I agree with Joan Murt.
In my opinion kuka is more flexible and has a lot of system variables to read and write, but the system is often very complex and boring to understand.ABB is more "bulletproof", but is linear, simple, powerful and the programming environment is powerful, comfortable and... free.
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Thanks guys...just as I thought KRI is just trying to make the other brands seem inferior. Not saying that they are not good robots just I really think that ABB would be better suited for our environment. We have Kawasaki's in other parts of the plant that we don't really ever have trouble with but in this area it is much more harsh.
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In terms of familiarity, Fanuc has such a market share that the likelihood of finding someone experienced in Fanuc programming is high. As for simplicity and ease of use (for programming only), Fanuc, Motoman (for the most part), and OTC are all winners because the programming is all there on the pendant. You don't need additional software to perform specific tasks. On the other hand, for more "exotic" programming to reiterate the above mentioned, KUKA has a plethora of options for programming, however, not all can be performed on the teach pendant and have to be done externally.
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So if I correctly understand, this wrong information because is possible for KUKA.
"I.E.: abb allows you to create submodules that are capable to call functions from the parent module which is impossible in kuka..."
e.g.
in one module "ABCD.src"DEF Main()
;MAIN Routine
SUB1() ;Call Sub1
SUB2 () Call Sub2
END
DEF SUB1()
;SUB 1
END
DEF SUB2()
;SUB 2
END
Global or local subs and function or parameter transfer subs and modules are possible for KUKA.
ABB is operator friendly and flexible. RAPID language enough for all complex application. Kuka is not operator friendly. HMI and menu tree have only simple commands. But KRL is very very flexible. ABB and KUKA robots have great extended application package for all application.
ABB is Embedded system and does not using for global automation technologies. e.g. you can't run Siemens Soft PLC or any OPC technologies from different manufacturers on robot. Kuka is possible but you need know "How to do". KUKA supported all Microsoft technologies and programming interface for integrate robot systems in IT World.
ABB Robot studio, PickMaster, Machinery etc. is great application for robot world. KUKA software not enough for offline simulation and support software. (I don't know new versions)
ABB mechanical is medium but KUKA is excellent.
ABB parts is very expensive and various. KUKA is not expensive by comparison with ABB and some parts found on standart PC parts.
ABB producing paint robots and special robots.. KUKA is not have painter and delta robots.