Posts by RustyRSA

Quote from DannyDJ

I searched for a solution to lock softkey for Minimize and Exit buttons in SoftKeyKUKA.ini, like for example you can lock Delete,Duplicate, add new menu and menu items to HMI,even change name of a button, but couldn't find where this buttons are defined in the file... Other solutions where already mentioned from other members in previous posts... I guess this "function" is intended for the service guys...

You can also write to KUKA about this, maybe they will rewrite the HMI for your case 😁🤞... or try to get KUKA.NOADMIN like FUBINI proposed...

Thanks for all your effort . I'll just live with this for now and see if I can monitor activity in a log somewhere. I'll give Kuka a buzz as well - you never know.

Quote from DannyDJ

Yes i managed to get also message, but you have to really click on status bar... I was clicking everywhere else... With double click on status bar it got minimized right away... I guess this is function programmed in HMI, when mouse is connected... It is the first time i see this 😁. It never happened even working with VNC, but i guess i never was clicking right on status bar because there are no buttons to be clicked... 🙂 The same thing on Win95 KSS v4.1.7 SP08 just tested it simulator...

Any views on this thread?

Kuka KRC2 ed05 LeaseTime and Lock issue

Quote from DannyDJ

Hello, i have tested on KRC2ed05 with plugged USB keyboard and mouse...I clicked, pressed everywhere on the screen and I couldn't get to Windows side, until i logged in the higher user level... So like i said before, someone already made or played with some settings in the windows... Reinstalling also the Windows and KSS later should fix this...

Thanks. I think that is the case. I have attached a pic showing the popup.

This option pops up when I click on the status bare near the bottom of the Kuka HMI screen.

Hi,

I have a client KRC2 ed05 running KSS 5.4.11. I have re-installed the KSS from the D:ISO to what I believe are the default settings.

For some reason the LeaseTime options that I have in the KRC/HMI/Config/Authentication.config file are not working.

It's as if the Authentication.config file is not being addressed.

Observation of tests:

I change the <CanLockSystem>false</CanLockSystem> to true (which should lock the screen after the Lease Time) and then try out the below and then change the <CanLockSystem>false</CanLockSystem> to false (which should allow the HMI to revert to the Default user after the Lease Time).

I do a cold start after each change.

If after each boot I login as Expert and wait the desired time (120 Seconds) there is no change if I change the mode switch on the teach pendant or if I wait more than 2 minutes (120S).

I have attached the Authentication.config file for reference.

Am I missing something.

Quote from SkyeFire

What status bar? The Windows XP status bar? Or the KUKA HMI status bar?

Kuka HMI Status bar only.

The site has authorised personnel to access the cabinet. However it needs to remain unlocked as per client regs. They run 24x7.

It would be unusual for anyone other than an Expert to put a mouse into the unit - BUT I am trying to close off unnecessary access because a mouse can be inserted.

Quote from MOM

As I remember (please correct me) using WinXP you are able to connect and disconnect mouse and keyboard without having any problem (like reboot).

I do not know why the cabinet has to be open - but connecting and disconneting mouse and keyboard should not cause any problem (why not just taking mouse and keyboard with you - too heavy load?)

No boot needed when connecting or disconnecting mouse/keyboard. Can add and remove usb as well and all is available under windowsXP.

Cabinet does not have to be open - simply unlocked. Customer requirement for after hours I/O unit.

Quote from MOM

What I have seen:

Keyboard and mouse were locked up! Only the specialist had the key to that part! It was a little housing on top of the controller (the user were to see the contents of the hpu on monitor - but could not open the slide for mouse or keyboard)

Do you have any safety regulations in your country?

No lockup on this machine. Open cabinet and all is there to use.

About safety regs: We have lions and elephants here - no safety regulations for mice.

Quote from DannyDJ

I will try tommorrow this on KRC2ed 05, because usually when i work with KRC2's i work with directly KCP or remotely with TightVNC installed on the robot... You only reinstalled KSS? Not the windows XP? Maybe some already played with status bar on windows side so that is poping-up...

Thanks Danny. Only re-installed KSS. Keen to see what you come up with. There must be a way to control that popup somehow. That will solve the issue. Good luck.

Quote from DannyDJ

Hello, by default when KSS is loaded, you can only work in KUKA HMI, usually to get to Windows side on KRC2, you have to first log in at least to Expert level, then by pressing the CTRL+ESC keys, the windows start menu pops-up...

Hi Danny. I recently re-installed 5.4.11 from the D partition iso.

The default boot is Operator level 5.

With a mouse and keyboard connected externally I am able to click on the STATUS BAR and get a popup offering to minimise the HMI.

Once i ‘minimize’ I have access to WindowsXP and from there can elevate privileges any way I wish..

So - I can access mouse and keyboard at the lowest level - dunno why then - and can access a very dangerous popup by clicking on the StatusBar - without the need for CTRL+ESC.

Quote from panic mode

have not seen KRC2 in a long time but as i recall, that is not supposed to happen unless one logs in.

I’ll have a look around this week and see why it is I can get access to mouse, keyboard and external screen no matter which user is logged in. We have duplicate kuka systems at this site, the other being a krc4, so much easier. Hopefully over time we can encourage the client to upgrade.

31. Oscilloscope. Expensive but worth it to see the unseen.

Quote from MOM

I fully agree with panic mode.

As i have seen "normal users" only had the kcp.

Specialists had keyboard and mouse (locked in).

I can get Access via mouse and keyboard on all levels 5-30, Operator to Admin.

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You are correct of course. But in this environment we have to allow instant access to the cabinet. A hereditary issue. So a mouse can be plugged in but it would be unusual. I am trying to minimise after hour fiddling. It’s a 24 hour operation.

I was hoping there was somewhere in MenueKeyKuka.ini, MenuKeyUser.ini, kuka_HMI.exe.config, SoftKeyKuka.ini or even the registry where I can simply disable the popup from appearing based on a user level limitation.

Quote from panic mode

no machine (computer) is ever safe as long as one has access to it's hardware. XP is long discontinued and there are no security patches. so change password, remove keyboard and mouse, put padlock on the cabinet door, don't leave the robot cabinet in a public parking lot. btw. connecting it to a network that is not secure is the same thing as leaving it outside....

unfortunately because of the work environment we have to leave the cabinet unlocked and so anyone can put a mouse in.

Quote from hermann

Remove mouse and keyboard.

Thank you. I was hoping there was somewhere in MenueKeyKuka.ini, MenuKeyUser.ini, kuka_HMI.exe.config, SoftKeyKuka.ini or even the registry where I can simply disable the popup from appearing based on a user level limitation.

Quote from Fubini

Simple answer. There is no option to disallow this in KRC2 as far as I remember. KRC2 uses a Windows user account with administrative privileges. The Kuka HMI user accounts have nothing to do with the windows user account. There is a technology package KUKA.NONADMIN but I am not sure this was already available for KRC2. You could lookup the package in KUKA Xpert, see pinned topic READ FIRST if you do not already have an account.

Fubini

Hi All,

Our client has a KRC2 ed05 running KSS 5.4.11.

We have 4 users:

Operator - level 5

Co-ordinator - level 10

Expert - level 20

Admin - level 30

Other than Operator (kukaAuto) the other users have passwords.

I have attached an external keyboard, mouse and screen to the controller to do some changes on security.

While adding additional security features I noticed an alarming security vulnerability.

When I click on the status Bar I get a popup window allowing me to access the Windows XP operating environment by 'minimizing' the HMI - no matter what level user is logged in.

Once HMI is 'minimized' to Windows XP, I can change registry values and do anything an Admin can do. Very dangerous.

Can someone please point me to the file or parameters where I can limit access to the 'minimize' popup feature to say Expert level (20)?

I can't find any documentation on where this feature can be secured.

Many thanks.

Dear All,

I may have missed these manuals and if so please do point me in the right direction.

I usually work with Kuka and ABB and have some knowledge on the General operation of the NX100 and HP20 but a bit stumped when it comes to the Welding part.

I am refurbishing a Motoman NX100 working with a Yaskawa HP20 robot for Welding Purposes. I have all the components working but now need to get it to weld.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a configuration manual for the JANCD-XEW01-1 welding card?

I need to understand the input/output command programming references for this card.

The Motoman website only has the card input and output layout but not how (or where) these are configured or programmable.

In addition I am trying to get the SKS UNI5 welding interface card (NX100) to work properly (wiring and io config) and could really do with an installation manual for that. Any suggestions where I can get the manual?

Oh and just an aside - how do I get the 'Relay ON/OFF' menu option to show on the pendant? I have set the parameters as suggested in section 10.15 of the NX100 Operators General Purpose manual but have a feeling there is something else I need to do.

Please do help if you can.

Thanks

Rusty