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ComArc Sensing and Weaving

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  • March 17, 2025 at 1:05 PM
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    • March 17, 2025 at 1:05 PM
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    Grettings !

    Im having some trouble with a certain project.

    The assembly of the tank varries a lot and we are having trouble programming the weld path without any sensors.

    Here is an image of the Slanted pipe on top of the tank we are having most difficulty with. The position of the pipe varies quite a lot ( up to 5 mm).

    Link : https://imgur.com/a/slanted-pipe-Zabahs4

    We have ComArc and Touch Sense ( through wire), but i have 0 experience in using them ( everything i learned so far is what i found in the respected pdfs).

    As far as ComArc sensor goes, it needs to have a weaving pattern for dettecting the seam. Now because the pipe is slanted the angle changes over distance so can we even use the comarc sensor here since the distance of Wire - Pipe changes as the torch goes around ?

    Would i be able to use ComArc sensor if i used WeaveAdjust instruction that lets you change the weaving over a distance ? how accurate would that then be ?

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    Im thinking maybe a better solution would be if we used Touch Sense on 3 or 4 points of the pipe to get the exact position, and then shift the pipe position/weld path based on that ?

    Any ideas/suggestions are appreciated!


    Thank you for your time and replies !

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    • March 19, 2025 at 11:11 AM
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    I managed to set up the Comarc sensor. It holds the seam well, the problem im having is it does undercuts into the bottom plate of our T weld.

    I have measured the phase compensation value and entered it into the parameters.


    The pdfs states :

    To lengthen a wire extension, decrease the UP/DOWN
    (U/D) correction condition in units of 10 A.
    • To shorten a wire extension, increase the UP/DOWN (U/
    D) correction condition in units of 10 A.
    • To move the targeted position toward the wall, decrease
    the LEFT/RIGHT (L/R) correction condition in units of 5
    A.
    • To move the targeted position toward the horizontal
    direction, increase the LEFT/RIGHT (L/R) correction
    condition in units of 5 A.

    My current U/D correction is set at 180 amps. IF i increase it to 190 or 200, the torch moves even more towards the plate untill i start getting Shock sensor overrun alarm ( torch smashes into the bottom plate ).

    If i decrease the U/D correction ( tried going to 160amps) it still does undercuts.....

    Is the problem maybe with our weave ( the taught path when doing measurments for comarc was maybe poorly done and it already did undercuts there, so we basically taught our robot how to do undercuts ?)

    But wouldnt changing the U/D parameters then remove the undercut ?

    Here are some pictures of the problem : https://imgur.com/a/comarc-undercut-problems-KGHnfz6


    Any help is appreciated.

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    • March 19, 2025 at 7:03 PM
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    I would drop the voltage or the travel speed. This should reduce the undercut without having any effect on comarc.

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    • April 2, 2025 at 12:51 PM
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    The problem was our welding and weawing parameters were not set up properly for what we were trying to do. I set up new Weld parameters and adjusted the weaving, now it welds without undercuts and keeps the Seam.

    Another problem we are having though is a Slanted Pipe ( angle of pipe changes) and the comarc starts to drift upwards as the angle opens up. It cut our Pipe in half basically.

    Here is a picture. https://imgur.com/a/IdoZl8C ( use of comarc - it drifts and cuts pipe in half)

    A picture without using comarc https://imgur.com/a/slanted-pipe-Zabahs4,

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    • April 3, 2025 at 6:29 PM
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    do you keep the torch to a 45 off the baseplate? Try to keep your torch angle center to the joint angle so you weave evenly across the joint. The pipe looks like it on a 30 degree angle so at the front i would increase the torch angle on those points to 60. On the backside you lose 30 so set torch at 30...while running closer to 45 around the sides. Then do your comac setup...see how that goes. You may need to make a few other weaves with different weave angles so your weaving evenly too.... wouldn't hurt. The trick is to have even arc lengths at each side of the weave. It will track more consistently if set up that way. I don't believe comarc has one side track so its trying to center the torch base off two completely different readings with compensation from l/r and u/d settings. Try to even out the readings with less compensation.

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    • April 4, 2025 at 7:15 AM
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    jarm Hey ! I already started playing with the problem and you are right, the secret is in torch angle and weaving in general. With a faster frequency it tracks way better and it doesnt loose track as much.

    We also used Short circuit spray instead of pulse ( less chance of burnthrough ) since if the burnthrough happened the sensor would loose its track.

    With some more minor adjustments im certain we will be able to weld the slanted pipe without any problems, otherwise ill make a touchsense program to touch up the pipe and get its exact position for better positioning the weld seam for each pipe.

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    • April 4, 2025 at 1:08 PM
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    :thumbs_up: sounds like you're on it...

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