Using dom hard disk in kuka robot

    Hello friends, I have a problem in using hard dom for kuka krc2 robots. My problem is that I just got the dom hard drive, and I was able to put the image on it, but when I connected it to the robot motherboard. It cannot run the image and I tested both in master and slave mode. Please guide me how to connect this dom hard disk to the robot so that it can run the image. Does it need a special connector or does it have a special image software? Please help, thank you very much

    DOM is a variant of solid state drive. have not used it but if i recall connector gender is different than on HDD. i would check if pinout is the same to confirm if gender changer is needed or if this thing simply plugs directly into IDE port on the motherboard.

    possible problems i envision:
    connected incorrectly
    not recognized or may need manual settings to be recognized (see BIOS)
    not compatible with the motherboard you have
    not containing proper image. maybe you cloned it from something that does not work or was clonned incorrectly or it is not active partition or...


    Kingspec Industrial Disk on Module PATA IDE 40PIN DOM 16GB Vertical Socket MLC : Amazon.ca: Electronics

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

    Quote from SkyeFire

    What is a "dom hard drive"? Do you mean IDE Hard Drive?

    What error messages did you get?

    What is the KCP motherboard version?

    What are the specs of the Hard Drive? How is it formatted?

    Yes ide hard drive 40 pin

    Windows does not run

    8GB,We formatted the hard drive through disk management

    When we change the hard drive from hdd to ssd (dom), should we re-image and install Windows on the hard drive?

    Quote from panic mode

    DOM is a variant of solid state drive. have not used it but if i recall connector gender is different than on HDD. i would check if pinout is the same to confirm if gender changer is needed or if this thing simply plugs directly into IDE port on the motherboard.

    possible problems i envision:
    connected incorrectly
    not recognized or may need manual settings to be recognized (see BIOS)
    not compatible with the motherboard you have
    not containing proper image. maybe you cloned it from something that does not work or was clonned incorrectly or it is not active partition or...


    Kingspec Industrial Disk on Module PATA IDE 40PIN DOM 16GB Vertical Socket MLC : Amazon.ca: Electronics

    I checked the pins and it is correct and I also checked the bios and introduced dom as the first memory but it cannot run windows.

    It remains on the following page

    it has been a really long time since i worked on system this old so my recollection is limited.

    it looks like both CD and DOM are detected. since CD is much slower it should be always connected to a different IDE interface and that is also the case (CD is on primary and COM is on Secondary). normally this would be the other way around. also both are set as slaves - single device on an interface should be set as Master. when second device is added to same interface, then it should be set as slave. so i would expect to see them arranged a bit differently. i would expect that this arrangement, while unusual, should not prevent booting (that may have been limitation on some really old boards, way before Celerons).

    the DOM is recognized but it looks like SMART features are disabled. That is ok. it is not required for system to function, it simply will not be able to use some of the more recent features.

    but i don't see the rest of the BIOS settings. did you check the boot order? is any device set to be default boot drive?

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

    in the old days it was common to make FDD or CD first bootable device so one can boot into another OS simply by inserting media and powering on. but this is slow, not to mention security risk.

    Screenshot of a BIOS Setup Utility Boot Menu

    and if your ONLY boot device is CD drive and there is no bootable CD inside it, system will fail to start. you will see something like "insert boot disk" or similar.

    so you definitely want to make sure that HDD or DOM is in the list and preferably the first choice.

    and if that does not help, you may want to boot into something... (using floppy or CD) and try running tools to see if the partition is created correctly, set active, has MBR... you may need to explore DISKPART and FDISK

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

    Quote from panic mode

    in the old days it was common to make FDD or CD first bootable device so one can boot into another OS simply by inserting media and powering on. but this is slow, not to mention security risk.

    Screenshot of a BIOS Setup Utility Boot Menu

    and if your ONLY boot device is CD drive and there is no bootable CD inside it, system will fail to start. you will see something like "insert boot disk" or similar.

    so you definitely want to make sure that HDD or DOM is in the list and preferably the first choice.

    and if that does not help, you may want to boot into something... (using floppy or CD) and try running tools to see if the partition is created correctly, set active, has MBR... you may need to explore DISKPART and FDISK

    I check and adjust the boot settings again, but my main challenge is that when the hard drive is changed from hdd to ssd, it is necessary to use the CD of the kuka robot again and restore Windows and the initial image and set up the robot again. Or is there no need for these steps?

    I don't want to give bad news like a bad messenger, my friend, but I think you're doing a completely wrong job. I have been working with the DOM disks I mentioned for a long time. KUKA's old robots made me feel very tired about it. In industrial robots and machines, the system will work like a time bomb no matter which disk you insert by converting an apparatus or similar disk instead of an IDE disk. If the previous correct working disk of the system is IDE 20gb, the disk you will replace should also be the same. If the previous IDE is 5.6gb, it should be the same again. In addition, the image retrieval process, which was performed on the computer with the operating system installed, must be rewritten with a computer using the same operating system again. I have used many different operating systems such as QNX, KDE, GNOME, and I have dealt with ver failures. Even the fact that the Bios has seen your disk or that you have correctly inserted your image file into it does not mean that it can work normally. That's why I still use a Pentium 2 with an ISA slot on my desk, and it has WIN95 and OS in it.I always have a card with a 7.0. Especially since WIN98 is one of my saviors. Even the version of the Ghost-like software that is backed up is important in this regard. Also, if the DOM disks recognize the bios as LBA,ATA, it means that they cannot be booted anyway. I wrote too long, I'm sorry, my friend...

    We work with such disks on all KRC2 robots (WIN95 or XP). We always work with 32 GB disks. You only need to remove the flat cable that goes to the old disk and plug the new one directly into the motherboard. Before that you upload an image to it and the robot is ready to operate. You use the same power supply for the disk from old one.

    Good luck :smiling_face:

    Quote from xSajkox

    We work with such disks on all KRC2 robots (WIN95 or XP). We always work with 32 GB disks. You only need to remove the flat cable that goes to the old disk and plug the new one directly into the motherboard. Before that you upload an image to it and the robot is ready to operate. You use the same power supply for the disk from old one.

    Good luck :smiling_face:

    I put the image on it, but Windows can't run. Where do you think I went wrong or should I have done something and didn't?

    Quote from ali rahmani

    My problem is that I just got the dom hard drive, and I was able to put the image on it

    I am just wondering how you were able to put the image to the dom hard drive. How did you do it?

    The dom hard drive should be placed directly into the ide connector on the mother board.
    In your case this should be the primary ide connector and the dom hard drive set to MASTER.

    The CD_ROM I would place to the secondary ide connector also as MASTER or SINGLE

    Can you read the contents of your dom hard drive?

    Quote from MOM

    I am just wondering how you were able to put the image to the dom hard drive. How did you do it?

    The dom hard drive should be placed directly into the ide connector on the mother board.
    In your case this should be the primary ide connector and the dom hard drive set to MASTER.

    The CD_ROM I would place to the secondary ide connector also as MASTER or SINGLE

    Can you read the contents of your dom hard drive?

    No, I can't read the information on the hard drive and I put the image on it with the software, and I don't know if this is my mistake or not?

    Quote from ali rahmani

    .. I put the image on it with the software ..

    Ah, now it's clear. You used the software :winking_face:.

    What's the name of the software? On what kind/which computer did you use this software?

    Where came the image from? How did you connect the DOM drive to that computer? Where you able to read content of the DOM drive on that computer after restoring the image (this should be possible, at least after a reboot).

    Quote from hermann

    Ah, now it's clear. You used the software :winking_face:.

    What's the name of the software? On what kind/which computer did you use this software?

    Where came the image from? How did you connect the DOM drive to that computer? Where you able to read content of the DOM drive on that computer after restoring the image (this should be possible, at least after a reboot).

    I used the acronis true image software and connected the dom hard drive with a special conversion to ide to usb conversion and put the image, but the image does not run on the robot and it only recognizes the hard drive.

    the dom hard drive has a female connector. Normal hard drives have male connectors.

    How did you put the image to the DOM?

    The only way it work is

    • have working HDD(to clone) in computer (as primary ide master)
    • have CD-ROM drive in computer (to start cloning software from)
    • have DOM installed (as what?)
    • Boot computer from CD-ROM
    • clone working hdd to dom
    • activate DOM as booting device
    • remove HDD
    • start computer with DOM booting

    Then you should be able to read the contents of the dom hard drive with your special usb conversion - is this possible?

    Did you clone the disk (boot sector and partition) or just the partition (without boot sector)?

    Another issue could be clone the disk and the boot partition is set inactive

    How does your special conversion looks like?

    Does it look like this?

    (ECSiNG 40 Pin Stecker auf Stecker 3,5 Zoll Festplatte Adapter Maschine IDE Elektronische Disk Adapter Stecker auf Stecker Zubehör 2,3x1,3x0,35 Zoll)

    I used the following conversion and put the image on the dom hard drive with the computer and put the hard drive on the robot, and I saw that it stays on one screen and does not run Windows.

    Your picture is not really helping.

    Taking my picture from post #18 you can see that you have a rotation of 180 degrees.

    On your picture this is not very clear - how did you conntect the usb adapter - mm - adapter and your dom together?

    Using you setup are you able to read the content of your dom drive?

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