1. Home
    1. Dashboard
    2. Search
  2. Forum
    1. Unresolved Threads
    2. Members
      1. Recent Activities
      2. Users Online
      3. Team Members
      4. Search Members
      5. Trophys
  3. Articles
  4. Blog
  5. Videos
  6. Jobs
  7. Shop
    1. Orders
  • Login or register
  • Search
This Thread
  • Everywhere
  • This Thread
  • This Forum
  • Articles
  • Pages
  • Forum
  • Blog Articles
  • Products
  • More Options
  1. Robotforum - Support and discussion community for industrial robots and cobots
  2. Forum
  3. Industrial Robot Support and Discussion Center
  4. KUKA Robot Forum
Your browser does not support videos RoboDK Software for simulation and programming
Visit our Mainsponsor
IRBCAM
Robotics Channel
Robotics Training
Advertise in robotics
Sponsored Ads

Motor resolver poles in KRC4 machine.dat

  • robot-cnc
  • October 5, 2024 at 8:53 AM
  • Thread is Unresolved
  • robot-cnc
    Reactions Received
    10
    Trophies
    4
    Posts
    414
    • October 5, 2024 at 8:53 AM
    • #1

    Hello !f

    I want to add from WOV the external kinematic drive for a rotary table using a KSP 3x20 to manage the motor.

    My motor is a Kuka 1FK6081, 2.83 KW, with 3 poles.

    From kinematic drives closest is ME_110_130_40_S0at 2.4 kw but 4 poles .

    Because in machine.dat on KSS 8.6 there is anymore visible variable RAT_MOT_ENC[7]={N1,D3} is any possibility choosing ME_110_130_40_S0 but to change its poles number?

    May I add in machine dat:

    DECL FRA $RAT_MOT_ENC[12] ;MOTOR:ENCODER RATIO ;AXIS[I] (I=1:A1,I=7:E1) N = NUMERATOR, D = DENOMINATOR

    $RAT_MOT_ENC[7]={N 1,D 3}

    [12] could be [1] or need to add all axis ?

    Thank you

  • robot-cnc October 5, 2024 at 2:11 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Motor rsolver poles in KRC4 machine.dat” to “Motor resolver poles in KRC4 machine.dat”.
  • panic mode
    Reactions Received
    1,263
    Trophies
    11
    Posts
    13,030
    • October 5, 2024 at 7:46 PM
    • #2

    1FK6083-xxxx was known as Type C motor.

    Product and Solution: Servomotor TYPE C/1FK6081 (kuka.com)

    I2 was used with KRC2. With KRC4, 1FK7 replaced 1FK6. And while similar, they are not exactly the same. closest match in KRC4 motors is C0 (1FK7083) which is found as ME_160_130_30_S0 in WoV catalogs.

    Note, both C and C0 motors exceed capacity of KSP 3x20, they need KSP 3x40 or KS 3x64.

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

  • robot-cnc
    Reactions Received
    10
    Trophies
    4
    Posts
    414
    • October 5, 2024 at 8:49 PM
    • #3

    ME_160_130_30_S0 (3kw) has 4 poles while 1FK 6081(2.83kw) has 3 poles.

    Closer is MG_120_110_25_S0 which has 3 poles with 2.2 KW and I used previously with a KSP 3x40.

    Working very well .

    Now I want to control it with a KSP 3 x 20 even I downgrade from 2.83 kw at 2.4 kw as it has ME_110_130_40_S0 which allow KSP3 x20 as Kuka Motor Data KRC4 says, the problem is having 4 poles.

    I wonder if it can be changed pole pair in KRC/Roboter/Config/User/Common/Motor/Motor"name".xml

  • robot-cnc
    Reactions Received
    10
    Trophies
    4
    Posts
    414
    • October 6, 2024 at 2:09 PM
    • #4

    I changed the motor poles pair number in motor "name".xml , 3 instead 4.

    And also ecoder ratio [3/1] in same file.

    The motor xml file must be identified that belong to rotary table motor.

    Data changed was accepted and saved. I will check positiining precision after gearbox assembly.

    Images

    • 20241006_132132.jpg
      • 441.18 kB
      • 1,374 × 1,200
      • 3
    • 20241006_132120.jpg
      • 347.19 kB
      • 1,149 × 1,200
      • 4
    • 20241006_132203.jpg
      • 163.12 kB
      • 809 × 1,200
      • 3
  • robot-cnc
    Reactions Received
    10
    Trophies
    4
    Posts
    414
    • October 10, 2024 at 1:02 PM
    • #5

    But Motor.xml file changes for resolver pole numbers has no effect.

    It can be changed though going in Safety Configuration , Machine Data View, there can be changed the nominator for E1 motor pole pairs.

    I tested the precision of E1 in positioning and is perfect changing 3 poles pairs instead 4.

    If you run a PTP line with E1 90deg. table stop perfect with 3 poles pairs while if 4 pairs are used , table moves more than 90 deg.

    Or, it is possible to set this encoder nominator for E1 in WOV at Local Safety Configuration as is shown in here:

    Images

    • 20241010_133416.jpg
      • 414.19 kB
      • 865 × 1,920
      • 6

Advertising from our partners

IRBCAM
Robotics Channel
Robotics Training
Advertise in robotics
Advertise in Robotics
Advertise in Robotics

Job Postings

  • Anyware Robotics is hiring!

    yzhou377 February 23, 2025 at 4:54 AM
  • How to see your Job Posting (search or recruit) here in Robot-Forum.com

    Werner Hampel November 18, 2021 at 3:44 PM
Your browser does not support videos RoboDK Software for simulation and programming

Tag Cloud

  • abb
  • Backup
  • calibration
  • Communication
  • CRX
  • DCS
  • dx100
  • dx200
  • error
  • Ethernet
  • Ethernet IP
  • external axis
  • Fanuc
  • help
  • hmi
  • I/O
  • irc5
  • IRVIsion
  • karel
  • kawasaki
  • KRC2
  • KRC4
  • KRC 4
  • KRL
  • KUKA
  • motoman
  • Offset
  • PLC
  • PROFINET
  • Program
  • Programming
  • RAPID
  • robodk
  • roboguide
  • robot
  • robotstudio
  • RSI
  • safety
  • Siemens
  • simulation
  • SPEED
  • staubli
  • tcp
  • TCP/IP
  • teach pendant
  • vision
  • Welding
  • workvisual
  • yaskawa
  • YRC1000

Thread Tag Cloud

  • abb
  • Backup
  • calibration
  • Communication
  • CRX
  • DCS
  • dx100
  • dx200
  • error
  • Ethernet
  • Ethernet IP
  • external axis
  • Fanuc
  • help
  • hmi
  • I/O
  • irc5
  • IRVIsion
  • karel
  • kawasaki
  • KRC2
  • KRC4
  • KRC 4
  • KRL
  • KUKA
  • motoman
  • Offset
  • PLC
  • PROFINET
  • Program
  • Programming
  • RAPID
  • robodk
  • roboguide
  • robot
  • robotstudio
  • RSI
  • safety
  • Siemens
  • simulation
  • SPEED
  • staubli
  • tcp
  • TCP/IP
  • teach pendant
  • vision
  • Welding
  • workvisual
  • yaskawa
  • YRC1000

Tags

  • KRC4
  1. Privacy Policy
  2. Legal Notice
Powered by WoltLab Suite™
As a registered Member:
* You will see no Google advertising
* You can translate posts into your local language
* You can ask questions or help the community with your knowledge
* You can thank the authors for their help
* You can receive notifications of replies or new topics on request
* We do not sell your data - we promise

JOIN OUR GREAT ROBOTICS COMMUNITY.
Don’t have an account yet? Register yourself now and be a part of our community!
Register Yourself Lost Password
Robotforum - Support and discussion community for industrial robots and cobots in the WSC-Connect App on Google Play
Robotforum - Support and discussion community for industrial robots and cobots in the WSC-Connect App on the App Store
Download