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I feel like it and I'm bored, my new project: M2000 and 7+8 axis

  • robiman
  • January 28, 2024 at 8:16 PM
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    • January 28, 2024 at 8:16 PM
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    First I would like to introduce my system.

    I got a system that had 3 external axes.
    A motor is defective and I only want to operate 2 external axes.
    Everything is in the controller cabinet, no external control cabinet
    An extension of the connector board and a 2nd SMB are mounted in the cabinet.
    The system also had a welding option and a SIB board. I removed all of that.

    I can boot the robot alone without any problems. Can I still load the axes later?
    Or do I absolutely have to boot SERVICE?
    What exactly does SERVICE booting do?

    I also have a backup of the old system with 3 axes, but not everything is listed in the *.moc parameters. There is probably a lot hidden and not included in the backup.


    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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    • January 31, 2024 at 3:05 AM
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    It's been 7-8 yrs so not sure how much I remember. It's even more fun to do on a customer's floor. I recall at least 2 times I've seen others leave the motor connected to satisfy the setup but not move it.

    Service allows you to also change the external axis setup.

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    • February 2, 2024 at 8:01 PM
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    My plan now is to boot the Robot solo with SERVICE and add the two external joints.

    I still have to rewire some things in the control cabinet

    One question still remains open for me:

    Which channel do I have to use on the SMB board?

    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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    • February 3, 2024 at 1:41 AM
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    Somewhat sure it's 4 (A7) & 5 (A8).

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    • February 3, 2024 at 8:36 AM
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    In the meantime I looked at the cfg files.
    M7C1B2.cfg....M8C1B2.cfg to M12C1B2.cfg

    i found this inside:


    MEASUREMENT_CHANNEL:
    #
    -name "M7C1B2" -use_measurement_board_type "DSQC313" -measurement_system 1\
    -board_position 1 -measurement_node 1

    In my opinion it could be this value. only this value is changing
    -measurement_node 1 ...2 to 6


    Today I'm changing the wiring, maybe I'll get to the test.

    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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    • February 4, 2024 at 2:15 PM
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    The wiring has now been changed.
    After making some changes to the moc, the system boots up without any errors.

    But:

    I still can't move the axis. I get torque and collision errors.

    The engine data is probably not correct yet.

    I need the correct unencrypted data for an MTC750.

    Where can I get the correct data?

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    • February 6, 2024 at 2:16 AM
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    I can only find MTD750 from 2016, nothing on MTC750.

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    • February 6, 2024 at 11:03 AM
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    What surprises me is that the axle doesn't move at all. 

    I'll check the wiring again. right motor, right brake, right resolver

    I'm still looking for an S4c+ M2000 option disk with an L positioner 750KG

    Do I have to specify a load somewhere for the axis?

    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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    • February 6, 2024 at 6:34 PM
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    Attached is the MTD750 i found. Hope it helps.

    Files

    MTD750 (3HAC034283-002).zip 5.04 kB – 8 Downloads
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    • February 6, 2024 at 6:44 PM
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    Update:
    one axis is running :jumping:
    The problem lies in the use of the driver units.
    I (think) can't operate 2 MTC750s on a DSQC 346U.
    one axis runs on node 2.


    The other axis must be connected to the rectifier drive unit.
    this can also deliver 55A.

    tommorow i will test again

    i will modify this section

    #
    DRIVE_UNIT:

    -name "M7C1B2" -use_drive_unit_type "DSQC_346U" \
    -use_current_controller "c_c_fast_1" -use_drive_unit_supervision "d_u_sup" \
    -drive_system 1 -unit_position 1 -node 2 -i_max 55 -i_thermal 24 \
    -temp_ambient_rise_transistor 2
    # -name "M8C1B2" -use_drive_unit_type "DSQC_358G"\ -use_current_controller "c_c_fast_1" -use_drive_unit_supervision "d_u_sup"\ -drive_system 1 -unit_position 0 -node 2 -i_max 55 -i_thermal 24\ -temp_ambient_rise_transistor 2

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    Edited once, last by robiman (February 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM).

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    • February 6, 2024 at 8:07 PM
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    Attached is the MTD750 i found. Hope it helps.

    OK and thank you
    It's not M2000 but the control parameters are good

    This is my new plan

    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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    • February 7, 2024 at 6:00 PM
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    Both axis are now moving, but I had to change the configuration again.
    The 2 external axes are now connected to the same unit at location A3/Node2.
    The same entries are available for both axes under Drive Unit.
    I can now activate A7 or A8. The system does the switching itself. If I activate A8, A7 is automatically deactivated.
    But I can live quite well with this solution.

    I didn't manage to connect A7 to the rectifier and A8 to drive unit A3. I kept getting errors from the measuring system.

    I guess:
    It is not possible to connect the SMB to Connector Board 2 and the drive unit to Connector Board1. The axis was then connected to two different axis computers.

    http://www.hw-automation.de<br />Teach Pendant Repair S4- IRC5

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