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UPS for robot?

  • mattia
  • January 17, 2024 at 12:42 PM
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    • January 17, 2024 at 12:42 PM
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    Hello to everyone,

    I'm new in this "robotic world", so I'm taking my first steps.
    One of my collegue told me he has different problem with external power supply. I mean that sometimes during the day external power has microswitch. He has some problem with different burned boards, expecially with old Kawasaki controllers (one of them is C80). We think this problem could be related and we try to look for a solution.
    So my question is: is it possible to use an UPS to reduce this problem? can be a good idea or are there other better solutions?
    Thanks in advance

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    • January 17, 2024 at 7:05 PM
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    I'm not sure anyone makes UPSs for high-voltage 3-phase AC.

    Power Conditioners are the closest standard product I can think of: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn?sear…r%20conditioner

    However, those only restrain voltage spikes -- if your mains power actually drops out entirely, even briefly, a power conditioner may not be enough.

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    • January 18, 2024 at 3:49 AM
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    if this is something that happens a lot, did you try to monitor power quality? i would attach logger to collect some data.

    as for "bridging the gap" during brownouts, you could use alternate power source.

    for example KUKA has mobile platforms (KMP/KMR/OmniMove)

    obviously they are using batteries for primary power.

    When they are fitted with robot arm, robot controller gets power from 3Phase Sine Inverter...

    but power outage is not likely to cause much damage. this is working of transients (voltage spikes) that exceed the normal limits. normally this is something that line filter and power supply should be able to cope with - within reason... (nothing is going to help you if there is a lightning strike nearby).

    so some sort of clamping is needed (TVS, MOV).

    Industrial High Energy Varistors - Littelfuse

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    • January 18, 2024 at 10:56 AM
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    Thank you for the answer. Unfortunately the city in which there are these robots has a lot of problem with electricity and we are trying to minimize the problem. To avoid voltage spikes we are also interested in voltage stabilizer. Now I look your produtcs. Thank you.

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    • January 18, 2024 at 6:38 PM
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    Most of the hits I found searching appear to be for data centers, rather than heavy industrial equipment, but it might be enough to prevent the robots from taking damage:

    Three (3) Phase UPS Power Supply | Mitsubishi Electric
    Choose a three phase power supply system from 10kVA to 2000kVA to distribute industrial power over long distances. Three (3) phase UPS balance loads for a…
    www.mitsubishicritical.com

    Still, you might want to have the robots perform a controlled stop when the grid power drops out -- a UPS that that handle the demands of robots in operation would probably be very expensive.

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