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Torque measurement

  • wld82ngnr_hu
  • July 4, 2023 at 2:48 PM
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    • July 4, 2023 at 2:48 PM
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    Hi All.

    Where do I find the actual torque values of the axes on an IRC5 controller?

    I would like to change the old, existing Binzel CAT2 XL crashbox on our IRB2400L (outer cable welding robot) to a more functional one, because the switching torque is too high.

    I does not work as a crahbox because the robot axes torque limit stops the robot earlier...

    I would like to change it to a lower torque crashbox, but the nex step is the half of the XL.

    The XL has 42 Nm, the L version has 21 Nm.

    I do not know whether it will be OK, or it will be too low...

    It is an outer cable robot, I afraid of the deflection of the cable can exceed the torque limit...

    I would like to check whether how much is the actual torque values during operation...

    I have checked tha manuals but the torque "keyword" did not work well :smiling_face:

    Thanks for suggestions.

    Best regards,

    Andras

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    • July 4, 2023 at 3:27 PM
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    hi, that should be possible with tunemaster/log. there is a possibility to read torques of a specific ax.

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    • July 6, 2023 at 2:24 PM
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    hi, that should be possible with tunemaster/log. there is a possibility to read torques of a specific ax.

    Is it a standalone PC software? Or it comes with Robot studio?

    I'll have Robot studio license for 3 years, but still it is not activated, but it is already bought.

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    • July 6, 2023 at 2:30 PM
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    You can use the function GetMotorTorque

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    • July 6, 2023 at 3:03 PM
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    You can use the function GetMotorTorque

    I did not find it in the "functions and data types" manual.

    Is it available in all Robware?

    It is Robware 5.15.5001.

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    • July 6, 2023 at 4:12 PM
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    It might not be. If you can get the release notes for 5.16 you can check to see if they added it to that version. That would be the highest revision available for your controller's cpu.

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    • July 7, 2023 at 8:35 AM
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    So I should check it in the controller. May the 5.15 also contains it, but it is not in the manual I've got with the robot (in 2010).

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    • July 7, 2023 at 12:39 PM
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    I have scrolled through the instructions in the program editor, unfortunately a did not find the 'GetMotorTorque' :frowning_face:

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    • July 10, 2023 at 12:08 PM
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    I found a lot of problems with RW5.15 & 16 in getting torque to be measured consistently, even following the examples in the RW manuals. After a fair amount of time experimenting, eventually consistent success was found. It was simply adding a delay between the TestSignDefine instruction and TestSignRead function.

    Here's a snippet of (a fairly involved torque measuring) bit of RAPID:

    PROC rAxisMeas(num nAxisNum)

    TestSignReset;

    TestSignDefine 1,9,A_mecunit,nAxisNum,0.001;

    WaitTime nSigDelay; ! Experiment with variable to get reliable readings.

    ...

    (routing via Test Case of nAxisNum for GO setting - I MAY try AliasIO, for now this works)

    ...

    nTrqVal{nAxisNum}:=TestSignRead(1);

    nAbsTrgVal:=Abs(nTrqVal{nAxisNum});

    SetGO go_TrqAx...,nAbsTrgVal;

    ...

    ENDPROC

    This code is executed as part of a few background tasks.

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    • July 19, 2023 at 8:13 PM
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    Quote from SomeTekk

    I found a lot of problems with RW5.15 & 16 in getting torque to be measured consistently, even following the examples in the RW manuals. After a fair amount of time experimenting, eventually consistent success was found. It was simply adding a delay between the TestSignDefine instruction and TestSignRead function.

    Here's a snippet of (a fairly involved torque measuring) bit of RAPID:

    PROC rAxisMeas(num nAxisNum)

    TestSignReset;

    TestSignDefine 1,9,A_mecunit,nAxisNum,0.001;

    WaitTime nSigDelay; ! Experiment with variable to get reliable readings.

    ...

    (routing via Test Case of nAxisNum for GO setting - I MAY try AliasIO, for now this works)

    ...

    nTrqVal{nAxisNum}:=TestSignRead(1);

    nAbsTrgVal:=Abs(nTrqVal{nAxisNum});

    SetGO go_TrqAx...,nAbsTrgVal;

    ...

    ENDPROC

    This code is executed as part of a few background tasks.

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    Were you able to measure robot joint torque or external axes torques only? For RW5.16, ABB support mentioned to me that only the torque of external axes could be measured, nothing from the robot itself

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    • July 20, 2023 at 4:59 PM
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    Good ol' ABB, making simple requests torture. Also ABB can make it difficult to convince customers to try their products because of their rigidity.

    I suspect ABB will be pleased to have you try their Remote/Connected $ervices which will make it 'easy' for the end-user to stay on top of their robot population's health.

    Here's the text from the manual (emphasis mine):

    Only test signals for external axes can be reached. Test signals are also available on request for the robot axes and for not predefined test signals for external axes.

    Yes, in this facility only external axes are measured.

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    • July 20, 2023 at 5:36 PM
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    Look at TestSignalViewer, it might enable you to monitor the torque in real time. It is in the Robotware DVD, Tools, Directory.

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    • July 25, 2023 at 3:13 PM
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    Is it possible to download Test Signal Viewer from somewhere?

    It is not on the DVD.

    On the other hand I did not find 'Tools' directory :grinning_squinting_face:

    I will check the original disc.

    It is a copy on my PC, but I afraid it is the same...

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    • July 25, 2023 at 4:00 PM
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    That directory is on every Robotware DVD I have. Try another. Did you download 5.16?

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    • July 25, 2023 at 5:22 PM
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    Is it possible to download Test Signal Viewer from somewhere?

    It is not on the DVD.

    On the other hand I did not find 'Tools' directory :grinning_squinting_face:

    I will check the original disc.

    It is a copy on my PC, but I afraid it is the same...

    ABB support pointed me here: https://new.abb.com/products/robotics/robotstudio/downloads

    Download “Robotware Tools and Utilities 6.15.02".

    I have been unable to monitor robot joint torques with this however, only the external axis torques just like "TestSignDefine".

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    • July 26, 2023 at 7:28 AM
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    That directory is on every Robotware DVD I have. Try another. Did you download 5.16?

    Sorry. I was talking about the documentation DVD.

    That was the only thing I have got for the robot and a floppy disk :face_with_tongue:

    On the other hand I have found that folder between my old Robotstudio files :smiling_face:

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    • July 26, 2023 at 7:43 AM
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    Is it a standalone program?

    Is it necessary to have Robot Studio on the same PC?

    We bought 3 years license of RS but it is still not activated (I waiting for the new robot, and some "free" time in the work, to get deepens in it).

    I would like to install RS on my desktop PC.

    However if I understand well TestSignalViewer should be installed on a laptop, because it must be connected to the robot controller...

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    Yes, it is a standalone program and you do not have to have Robotstudio installed also to use it.

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    • July 27, 2023 at 10:26 AM
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    I suggest investigating ABB's TuneMaster Log Signals program. It should be in the same folder as Test Signal Viewer (TSV).

    One facet TuneMaster possesses that I really like is that it interrogates the MOC file and determines mechanical units.

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