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Welding arc

  • iKSnIMAk
  • March 25, 2023 at 9:09 PM
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    • March 25, 2023 at 9:09 PM
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    Hi,

    We have a problem with starting the KUKA stand.

    The robot is a KUKA KR6/2 control cabinet KRC-1 with a MERKLE PU 400 RS analog welder.

    It doesn't show any errors when connected.

    Only when we write a short program, the robot cannot ignite the welding arc.

    Any tips? :winking_face:

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  • massula March 25, 2023 at 9:10 PM

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    • March 25, 2023 at 10:07 PM
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    Yes,

    - make sure that Merkle is switched on

    - check cables

    - check i/o signal/state

    - check krl programme

    With all the given information it is impossible to make any suggestions!

    Can you provide some more useful information?

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    • March 26, 2023 at 1:43 PM
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    Quote from MOM

    Yes,

    - make sure that Merkle is switched on

    - check cables

    - check i/o signal/state

    - check krl programme

    With all the given information it is impossible to make any suggestions!

    Can you provide some more useful information?

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    Everything you write about is already checked!

    I wouldn't post without turning on the welder :grinning_squinting_face: :grinning_squinting_face: :grinning_squinting_face:

    The only thing you could expand on is the KRL program

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    • March 26, 2023 at 4:49 PM
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    Was the system working before or is it a new setup?

    Do you use ArcTechAnalog (A10) or wrote the krl program yourself?

    Do you have something like cold and hot welding?

    What's about the welding parameter?

    Also pictures could help

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    • March 27, 2023 at 3:49 PM
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    Quote from Kaminski

    Only when we write a short program, the robot cannot ignite the welding arc.

    What does this mean? Details matter.

    Does nothing happen at all? Is there an error message? If so, what is the error message?

    What command are you using to start the arc? With what signals? Are those signals changing state when you execute the command?

    What KSS version are you running? What KUKA-ARC version?

    Did you build this system, or buy it complete? Did it work before?

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    • April 1, 2023 at 4:59 PM
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    The case looks like this. The robot is connected correctly, all wires are operational.

    The previous owner cleaned it and I think that may be the problem.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zO-8og111nCeDeuf1f2YzQ_LDli03sMV/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wxIjGLSQ6cuoCuhBFadztlKXBTDJoGkW/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/15vzNUmtDi-7h5sjRvbD2KsHRpZa-h0R-/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O255AwbUKLO6EU--zdWKjxvd6eDVk5WY/view?usp=sharing

    Edited once, last by iKSnIMAk (April 1, 2023 at 5:14 PM).

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    • April 1, 2023 at 6:07 PM
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    Everything you write about is already checked!

    checked by someone inexperienced can mean things are overlooked or not checked at all. of all thing you said are checked, i only consider one to be true - Merle was turned on. there is no reason to doubt that one, but i see absolutely no evidence for other points to be checked in any way.

    if you check other threads you will see that most users start by stating that "they have checked everything". however the reason they come to forum asking for help is a clear indication that they did not check it or at least not the right things or not the right way... so as far as i am concerned they may as well have used city tour map instead of schematics and dowsing rod instead of DMM. maybe that puts some perspective on "details matter".

    so:

    how exactly did you check wiring? using what schematic? using what tools?

    how exactly did you check IO configuration? did you do IO check?

    how exactly is your program controlling welder? using what IOs?

    next:

    how is your German?

    33 = welder ok (not TRUE)

    34 = current ok (not TRUE)

    35 = water ok (not TRUE)

    36 = Crash contact (TRUE)

    so clearly either Welder is not connected, or connection is wrong or welder is not ready for whatever reason (check troubleshooting section of the welder manual)

    and how about this:

    it looks like robot is trying to start weld (output 33 is true). that of course is assuming that IO map is correct.

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

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    • April 1, 2023 at 6:48 PM
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    I'm just trying to solve a problem that robot tech support can't handle. it only transmits what the technical support page tells us. But this writing reassures me that the service doesn't know what it is doing and how to solve it 🥴

    Edited once, last by iKSnIMAk (April 1, 2023 at 7:28 PM).

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    • April 1, 2023 at 7:39 PM
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    Do you have the user manual for the merkle?

    There should be a trouble shooting section and also a sequence diagram for comms

    I agree with panic mode

    Quote from MOM

    Yes,

    - make sure that Merkle is switched on

    - check cables

    - check i/o signal/state

    did you really checked everything

    I am just wondering to get "crash Kontakt" and not "stromquelle bereit"

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    • April 1, 2023 at 7:39 PM
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    robot tech support cannot handle case with no info. same is here on this forum.

    to see what you have, YOU need to start digging deeper and sharing the findings. you provided next to nothing that could be useful.

    so far there is zero mention of wiring, welder parameter, welder configuration, welder state indicators, if the welder can be used manually (without robot) etc. you never shared link to the manual so here is one i found.

    same goes for robot - if you robot has some IOs at all, if they are operational etc.

    show us the configuration and mapping. this would be the top part if IOSYS.INI

    then we can see what device if any is using I/Os 33-36. for all we know, there may be no driver enabled.

    Files

    pu_400_dw.pdf 1.69 MB – 6 Downloads

    1) read pinned topic: READ FIRST...

    2) if you have an issue with robot, post question in the correct forum section... do NOT contact me directly

    3) read 1 and 2

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    • April 1, 2023 at 8:23 PM
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    @panic mode

    On the german site of manualslib I found the doc for MERKLE PU 520 RS (with Robot interface)

    In accordance to this manual

    Quote from Kaminski

    the robot cannot ignite the welding arc.

    one reason could be: wrong program selected

    see

    pu_520_rs.pdf

    (in german)

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