So with KSS V8.6 + You have to use a V4.0 Image stick. And it seems that the V3 Sticks are not Upgradable though they are the same sticks in Size anyway. Anyone had this yet.

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No input from anyone how strange
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well i have not run into either KSS8.6 or recovery stick 4.0 yet. to be honest i did not know that such stick was available. but if really new stick is required and the previous stick is not upgradeable, i would be very upset with KUKA specially since previous version (v1 and v2) can be upgraded to v3. plus those things are very pricey ... even though they look so cheap.
i am really not impressed with plastic stick, with LED that is hard to see and attachment hole that is on the cap instead of stick (yeah, i did not loose the stupid cap). the newer the metal ones have the ring on the stick but it is so tiny hole and paint is peeling.
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Well, I haven't run into a KSS 8.6 robot yet. I suspect not a whole lot of people have.
Do the new robots come with the KSR stick "free", or do you have to buy them separately?
I would be annoyed that the older sticks can't be upgraded, but backwards compatibility can only stretch so far.
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usb recovery sticks were never free, but purchasing them with robot system allows you take advantage of discounted pricing (project pricing). it would be nice but i seriously doubt that suddenly versions 4.0 is free.
i watched someone collect and restore KSS8.6 image but i was not thinking much of it. the stick seem to be the standard 16gb stick with software 3.x. not sure if v4 looks the same or different. there does not seem to be much of info about it on Xpert.
just thinking about it, i am not sure how would KSS version would have any effect on booting from some other media. USB stick boots its own OS, and software that collects HDD image. of course software that collects image could be made to evaluate KSS version of drive it works on and then determine to work or refuse to work based on what is on that drive. but older sticks could not be aware of this and i doubt that someone was planning on this couple of yeast before new KSS was even conceived. and same sticks are used for sunrise controllers etc.
and maybe new controllers would not boot from 3.x stick but... does that prevent one from connecting the HDD to own laptop via USB adapter and use the stick same way as V3?
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this is manual for 4.0, there is no picture to go with the product or any compatibility issues (like with using external drive)
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Well, I haven't run into a KSS 8.6 robot yet. I suspect not a whole lot of people have.
Do the new robots come with the KSR stick "free", or do you have to buy them separately?
I would be annoyed that the older sticks can't be upgraded, but backwards compatibility can only stretch so far.
no you have to buy them . It became an issue for me as the last 2 customers i have come both have 8.6.6 .
Thats 6 robots in total.
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this is manual for 4.0, there is no picture to go with the product or any compatibility issues (like with using external drive)
Well the version 4 Stick looks identical to the V3 stick and is the same brand . As shown here the Version text of the sick is here .
[Version]
Name=KUKA.Recovery
Version=4.0.1
Build=0046
Date=20200211
Using the V3 on V8.6 the controller starts to boot stick is accessed then the controller shuts down like its completed the image . I am trying to find out why they are not upgrading !!!!
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well i have not run into either KSS8.6 or recovery stick 4.0 yet. to be honest i did not know that such stick was available. but if really new stick is required and the previous stick is not upgradeable, i would be very upset with KUKA specially since previous version (v1 and v2) can be upgraded to v3. plus those things are very pricey ... even though they look so cheap.
i am really not impressed with plastic stick, with LED that is hard to see and attachment hole that is on the cap instead of stick (yeah, i did not loose the stupid cap). the newer the metal ones have the ring on the stick but it is so tiny hole and paint is peeling.
I assume its the board package thats looking for the stick as it does start to boot as the USB is accessed then it stops.
Yes you can do it the usual was via a laptop as ext drive or with Reflect software. It was just a pain to remove the drives when i can normally kick all 4 Image sticks off at the same time. :-).
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thanks for update. i guess what i saw being used is probably stick 4.0 ....
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I have used the V3 (V3.04) stick with various 8.6+ robots without a problem but the highest rev that I have used them on is KSS 8.6.5 so unless something has changed in that minor rev to effect the recovery stick I would have expected the V3 stick to still work. I know that you said that they are new robots but the hard drive on them isn't near capacity by any chance is it?
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I have used the V3 (V3.04) stick with various 8.6+ robots without a problem but the highest rev that I have used them on is KSS 8.6.5 so unless something has changed in that minor rev to effect the recovery stick I would have expected the V3 stick to still work. I know that you said that they are new robots but the hard drive on them isn't near capacity by any chance is it?
V3 and V4 sticks are the same size the one The version was KSS 8.6.6 and my V3 sticks i have 4 would not image them. I tried updating the V3 stick to the latest version of V3 and it was still the same. V4 stick worked straight away
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I have used the V3 (V3.04) stick with various 8.6+ robots without a problem but the highest rev that I have used them on is KSS 8.6.5....
The version was KSS 8.6.6 and my V3 sticks i have 4 would not image them. I tried updating the V3 stick to the latest version of V3 and it was still the same. V4 stick worked straight away
If that minor version change makes the older sticks unusable, it's a mistake or a big insolence.
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I used KUKA stick V3 with KSS 8.6 no problem it working. The version has no effect for my backup and restore.
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Right so fixed the issue . it seems that some V3 sticks are unable to detect the Board Package of the controller correctly. The resolve this you have to untick the option to support only Kuka Controllers in expert settings. This then works ok .....
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You can upgrade a V2 stick to V4, i know this because iv done it,
I did download it from http://www.update-recovery-usb.kuka-robotics.com/ but it doesn't seem to be there anymore
but I have a 8gb kuka stick quite happily running Recovery_4.0.1.0046
For what reason they have removed it I'm not sure, but if you get hold of a friendly Kuka support guy they might be able to give it to you, and I wouldn't want to suffer the wrath of ze germans by reposting it
The nice thing about V4 (I haven't tried V3) is that you can save the images to another USB stick and gets around the issue of the larger image files of the newer KSS 8.6, especially when you have several options installed
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for whatever reason they rolled back download to V3.0.3. I have had v3.0.4 for a while too.
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Panic mode it was actually 4.0.1 that was on there, I'd like to think the later v3 should do all systems though
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You can upgrade a V2 stick to V4, i know this because iv done it,
I did download it from http://www.update-recovery-usb.kuka-robotics.com/ but it doesn't seem to be there anymore
but I have a 8gb kuka stick quite happily running Recovery_4.0.1.0046
For what reason they have removed it I'm not sure, but if you get hold of a friendly Kuka support guy they might be able to give it to you, and I wouldn't want to suffer the wrath of ze germans by reposting it
The nice thing about V4 (I haven't tried V3) is that you can save the images to another USB stick and gets around the issue of the larger image files of the newer KSS 8.6, especially when you have several options installed
You could do that on 3 as well i often create and restore the image off the robot
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well. if the stick size is a problem, one can also create image of each partition separately (from version 3.x).
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