ABB IRB140 M2000 S4C question

    Hello,


    Where should I find the I/O card/module in an S4C controller?


    Controllers:


    https://bit.ly/2QcYrSp


    https://bit.ly/2AQXzIy


    https://bit.ly/2FZLiao


    https://bit.ly/2AUxE2B


    Robots:


    https://bit.ly/2Ek3pq2


    The robots were used for "pick and place" tasks so I think they should have I/O card...
    On the other hand I am not familiar with S4C controller (I was "socialized" on IRC5)...


    I would like to use them for plasma cutting...
    I have an offer from the local ABB for cutting software package (Advanced Motion - 3HAC034433001).
    The robots are in a partners facility at the moment, so I have only these pictures... :smiling_face:
    They were manufactured in 2003-2005, an run approx. 35k hours.


    Thanks for response!


    Regards,


    András

    Another question.


    Now I am just prepare the investment costs for this project, for the decision makers.
    So, currently it is just a plan...


    I would like to use collision detection for the placma torch (Abicor Binzel CAT3).
    The power source would be a Hypertherm PMX45.
    It cannot handle the singals of the CAT3. Is it possible to wire the collision detection diretcly into the robot?

    Quote from RoboWeld


    If the CAT3 collision sensor is dual channel you can connect it through the auto stop terminals on the robot, if it is single channel it will need an interface relay.


    Is it dual channel? :smiling_face:



    I didn't find any information in the manual...


    Thanks a lot! :top:

    Bit late to the party, but the lack box in pics 1&3 is your I/O


    Advance Motion on S4(C+) is not the same as cutting software (i.e. RW Cutting or whatever it's called in IRC5).
    Back then they didn't really have cutting software as such, instead you'd use TriggL's (pain in the rear end to program) or just use standard ArcWare.
    It doesn't have (built in) functionality for lead-in/out so that's something you'll have to handle yourself.


    Normally a break-away-switch (collision switch) is wired to general stop (you can crash in manual mode too :zwink: )


    I asked for quotation from the local ABB about plasma cutting software, and they have sent this "Advanced motion" package... ???
    1200€ and 600€ for installing...

    I checked the quotation.
    I didn't observed that, they stated there isn't especially thermal cutting software for this type of controller.
    They recommend "andvanced motion" for achieve satisfactoty path accuracy in the case of cutting small diameter holes.
    They did not talk about Robotware Arc software...


    I'd like to use this robot for cutting lateral holes on tank lids, on a curved surface:


    https://bit.ly/2Euxtzs


    https://bit.ly/2PCeqE9


    Here is a short simulation:


    https://youtu.be/4xRJ2wudCiY


    So, do you think we will need also something like Robotware Arc (like on IRC5)?

    Whomever you're talking to at ABB is thinking that options are the same between IRC5 and S4C+......... They are not :justice:
    While you could/would use all of the functions in Advanced Robot Motion 687-1 (had your robot been an IRC5) you will use none of the options in Advanced Motion 531
    "Contour Tracking" is a weird name for Path Corrections (from an sensor / background task), it is not tuning or anything like that.


    Neither robot controller (S4C+ or IRC5) has the functionality for automatically cutting holes on a curved surface, the path still has to be calculated / programmed.


    Your best option IMHO is to upgrade the controllers to IRC5 with RW6 and RW Cutting, that way you have all the gizmos and a straight plug n' play with Robot Studio.
    I'm guessing this is not within your current plans / budget (probably around 10,000 EUR each) so lets table that discussion.


    Being that the product is tank lids, I'm assuming that the holes are larger, at least 20mm and up ? If so the inaccuracies of smaller circles should hopefully not affect you that much. Plus, the inaccuracies only really became a problem when they launched the 2600/4600's (heavier serial link design v.s. the parallel links of 24/44).


    As far as S4C+ goes, your best option is RW Arc, at least you get the basics of process handling (turning the plasma on/off at the right time), error handling (basic) etc.
    You'll still have to program lead-in/out "manually" but if you're not cutting that many different holes / products it won't be too much of a hassle to warrant a IRC5 upgrade.


    If you need to get up and running right away then you can pay to have them install it, but considering that it's not "rocket science" to do so and that you'll spend a bit of time configuring I/O signals and RW Arc I think it would be good training to also reboot the systems - plus you'll save EUR600 by doing so....






    I am more familiar with IRC5, and I absolutely not familiar with S4C... :icon_neutral:
    I like IRC5 for arc welding, it is very useful especially with production manager.


    Know we are talking about a used robot, the price is very affordable (compared to the available other prices on the internet).
    Approx. 9300€ per robot.
    They ran 35k hours, and 13-15 years old.
    As you can see, it is a used robot, because our company has (a too much) price oriented/sensible management. ( :sadsmiley:)


    Unfortunately I could calculate 4 years ROI (without that 10k € upgrade cost to IRC5).
    It is still too much...
    Robot studio is approx. further 5k € per year (however I think it is the best option for an ABB robot rpogramming)


    If I understand well, you do not recommend to buy that "advanced motion" software.
    Then I can save 1,8k € but it's not take me out from the "trouble"... :frowning_face:


    I asked them about Arcware software, I am courious what will they say...


    This robotic solution would be much better in safety and in product quality, and in everything than the existing method...

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