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  • happytriger2000
  • August 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM
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    • August 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM
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    This is a KRC2 robot on track + external rotary table, trying to run a sample SRC file generated in Robotmaster saved it to floppy load it to C2 run program and I get No 1443:

    Opened Rob. position: Monitor-->Rob. Position---->Axis Specific
    A2=-90, A3=89.99xxx, rest of axes = 0, does it have anything to do with A3?

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    • August 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM
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    Is the first position a LIN move?

    The robot needs to BCO so the first move needs to be a PTP.

    You can PTP move it to $POS_ACT which will BCO without physically moving.

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    • August 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM
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    You have $BASE and $TOOL settings, but you might also need to add an "INI" call to BAS.SRC to set things like default speed, acceleration, approximation, etc.

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    • August 7, 2013 at 6:22 PM
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    Search BCO:
    https://www.robot-forum.com/robotforum/kuk…13956/#msg13956
    https://www.robot-forum.com/robotforum/kuk…sg5220/#msg5220

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    Swarf.src 26.2 kB – 21 Downloads
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    • August 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM
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    Quote from SkyeFire


    You have $BASE and $TOOL settings, but you might also need to add an "INI" call to BAS.SRC to set things like default speed, acceleration, approximation, etc.

    Something like this:

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    • August 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM
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    here is a video link to share with you:
    http://youtu.be/5SISgxrLeks

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    • August 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM
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    You need to modify some of the moves to stop the singularity, it appears about 38 seconds.

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    • August 8, 2013 at 1:45 AM
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    http://youtu.be/QkwFsXe50kM
    Currently I do not have the right robot type in this home computer, the C2 is a KR2210L150K :

    Also how do I disable 1 of the external axis? I want to unplug the Power & resolve cable off the Servo motor of the rotary table.

    thanks

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    • August 8, 2013 at 5:46 AM
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    Should be able to do so simply by setting $EX_AX_NUM to 0 for the duration of the test.

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    • August 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM
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    Thanks Sky.
    Found 2 relevant topics:

    https://www.robot-forum.com/robotforum/kuk…sg8285/#msg8285
    https://www.robot-forum.com/robotforum/kuk…15490/#msg15490

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    • August 12, 2013 at 11:06 AM
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    None of the SRC file from Robotmaster work....but SRC from PRC works, can someone explain the difference between the 2 SRC file?, open attachment.

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    Mod6e.src 89.19 kB – 37 Downloads SWF2.SRC 26.19 kB – 42 Downloads
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    • August 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM
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    I would delete this line:

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    PTP  {A1 0.0000,A2 -90.0000,A3 90.0000,A4 0.0000,A5 0.0000,A6 0.0000}

    Did the robotmaster guys helped on this?

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    • August 12, 2013 at 11:03 PM
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    One has a BAS (#INITMOVE,0), the other doesn't.

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    • August 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM
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    vvelikov,
    Yes I did report this to Mastercam Tw and they are looking into it.
    PTP {A1 0.0000,A2 -90.0000,A3 90.0000,A4 0.0000,A5 0.0000,A6 0.0000}, what's wrong with this line?
    Isn't this the Robot Mastered position/home?

    Sky,
    The post need editing. I'll have to wait for Mastercam Tw for reply.
    As for now I'll copy the BAS (#INITMOVE,0) of Mod6e.src to SWARF2 :
    http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/happytrig…xtedit.mp4.html

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    • August 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM
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    Alright it is working!!
    Solution:
    Open Swarf2.src and Mod6e.src in Orange editor.
    In swarf2.src highlight lines 1 to 17 then delete.

    Goto Mode6.src, highlight lines 1 to 4 then copy.

    Go back to swar2.src and paste the lines above line 18: $BASE={X 2400.0000,Y 0.0000,Z 1000.0000,A 0.0000,B 0.0000,C 0.0000}, should look like this:

    RM simulation:
    http://youtu.be/1o69dY9wH6w

    Real Robot Motion:
    http://youtu.be/9X19xZaENbA

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    • August 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM
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    Looks good, glad to hear you fixed it.
    Can i ask a question about the spindle holder - why do you choose this scheme - is it 60 degree? My spindle is on 90 degree and i was thinking to try another setting - can you tell me your reasons to have angled spindle holder?

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    • August 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM
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    I used to mount mine at 45. It will certainly affect(though not eliminate) where you get singularities and wrist flips. Also, imo, it helped eliminate potential wrist collisions with the work surface when tilting(but arguably these can also be handled by controlling rotation around the axis of the spindle)

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    • August 25, 2013 at 4:24 AM
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    Hi vvelikov,
    Like wes_mcgee said: " it helped eliminate potential wrist collisions with the work surface when tilting", but at 1st I was just following what this page doing:

    My 1st design was 90 degree aswell, then changed it to 59 degree.

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    • October 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM
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    you want to watch what you're deleting out of there! some of those settings control corning rounding and joint motion speed. So if you changed it in robotmaster they won't affect the program if you delete the lines.

    you shouldn't have to delete anything from the robotmsater SRC programs, but glad to see you got it working. what you want to do is take your home position from the Mode6 program (that's the PTP values)

    and put them in the Approach / Retract values in Robotmaster.

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